<html><head><base href="x-msg://601/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Can I point out a paper to the list: <div><br></div><div><a href="http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2010ApJ...708.1238J">http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2010ApJ...708.1238J</a></div><div><br></div><div>This paper encapsulates the problem in a concise form. I could point out a couple more, but those are nearly 10 years old now, wow how time flies. I have drawn my line in the sand with emission measures as a practical diagnostic - once we have a DEM/EM, etc what can we do with it? As far as I can tell there are only a few papers in the literature that deal with that particular issue in a real sense and those are from further back in the 80s [look for papers by Carole Jordan].</div><div><br></div><div>I am all for learning something about the solar plasma from a zeroth order approach. However, no EM/DEM/Line Ratio estimation deals with the real time-varying corona (or outer solar atmosphere as we need to deal with a intrinsically coupled system). By definition, these diagnostic deal with equilibrium processes and thermal populations - I am not entirely sure that we have that in place and if we do is, is that the process doing the "heavy lifting" or just the after effect procing the apparent stationary state.....there is strong evidence of non-thermal processes affecting the chromospheric, TR and coronal plasmas in the very same spectra from which such diagnostics are derived [probably even worse for broadband EUV imagers].</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry, to be a bummer!</div><div><br></div><div>-S. </div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Sep 23, 2010, at 7:25 AM, Klimchuk, James A. (GSFC-6710) wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Friends,<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> The EM loci technique is frequently used to access whether a plasma is isothermal. 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